Iqbal and Hussain(RA)
Sunday, December 27, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Ro’ain woh jo munkir hain Shahadat-e-Hussain (R.A) ke..
Hum Zinda-e-Javaid ka Matam nahi kia kerty
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on January 1st, 2010 at 10:47 PM
شہادت پر کون روتا ہے شہادت تو محمّد و آل محمّد کی میراس ہے اور ہم تو اپنے شہیدوں پر فخر کرتے ہیں جنہوں نے اسلام کو بچایا نہ کہ اسلام کو تباہ کیا - آپ رسول ص سے تو محبّت کا دعوہ کرتے ہیں مگر اسی رسول ص کے نواسے کو جب تین دن کا بھوکا پیاسا شہید کر دیا گیا، جس کی لاش پر گھوڑے دوڑا دیے گے، جس کے گھر والوں کو قید کر دیا گیا اُنہیں بازاروں میں بے پردہ گھمایا گیا اور اُنہیں اپنے پیاروں کا غم بھی منانے نہ دیا گیا اس پر آپ خاموش ہو جاتے ہیں اور اگر کوئی ان کا غم منانے بھی تو آپ کو تکلیف ھوتی ہے
on January 2nd, 2010 at 12:04 AM
Raza Sahib you need to learn the definition of “Mohabbat” first. Love is alla bout doing what our lover says. When you claim that you love Muhammad(saw) and His family then you should what Mohamamd(saw) had said and what Quran talked about. Quran clearly disallow mourning. Quran says tht Shaheed never dies then how come people cry for someone who is Shaheed?
Pls tell me , did Ali mourn and beat his chest when Fatima(RA) passed away. Did Prophet(saw) beated His chest on sad demise of His Uncle Hamza(RA).
Yes you have all rights to mourn and do whatever you want btu don’t make attempts by saying it’s Islamic. Hindus do have concepts of Rudalis,mounring by Shias is no differ than them.
on January 2nd, 2010 at 12:05 AM
aur dosri baat, yeh kaisa gham hay k safar k mahina me khatam hojata hay aur uska baad Eid aur parties? ye tu khuli munafiqat hay
on January 2nd, 2010 at 11:31 PM
Crying or mourning is a natural act and as Islam is Deen-e-Fitrat, how can it be unislamic?? Yes you are right one should learn from Quran and Sunnah, here’s a hadith from Sahih Bukhari about Prophet’s (sawaw) mouring of his son’s (Hazrat Ibrahim) death,
Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23, Number 390:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
We went with Allah’s Apostle (pbuh) to the blacksmith Abu Saif, and he was the husband of the wet-nurse of Ibrahim (the son of the Prophet). Allah’s Apostle took Ibrahim and kissed him and smelled him and later we entered Abu Saif’s house and at that time Ibrahim was in his last breaths, and the eyes of Allah’s Apostle (pbuh) started shedding tears. ‘Abdur Rahman bin ‘Auf said, “O Allah’s Apostle, even you are weeping!” He said, “O Ibn ‘Auf, this is mercy.” Then he wept more and said, “The eyes are shedding tears and the heart is grieved, and we will not say except what pleases our Lord, O Ibrahim! Indeed we are grieved by your separation.”
You asked about Prophet’s (sawaw) mourning of his uncle Hazrat Hamza (as), Sheikh Muhaddith Dehlavi has written in his book,
“Safiya came and stood by the head of Hamza’s (r.a) body and she along with Fatima (s.a) kept crying for him and due their mourning, Holy Prophet (s) also started crying.”
Even Prophet (sawaw) mourned the death of Jaffar ibn Abi Talib (as) who was a shaheed and this has been mentioned by your beloved scholar Ibn Katheer in his book al Bidayah wa al Nihaya, Volume 4, page 673.
I can provide more refrences from Sunni sources if you need, also don’t you remember crying of Hazrat Yaqoub (as) over his son Hazrat Yousuf (as) which was so intense that he lost his sight similary Ibn Abbas (ra) (Sahabi-e-Rasool) became blind on account of his mourning for Imam Husayn (as).
Comparing mourning to hindu traditions is illogical as several other Islamic rituals are also in other religions like fasting, sacrificing animals etc. All this proves that mourning or crying for someone you love is entirely Islamic in reality Sunnat-e-Rasool (sawaw) and as I mentioned in my previous comment Imam Hussein’s (as) hardships and miseries are so intense that how one could not cry.
on January 2nd, 2010 at 11:58 PM
MOhsin, you did not answer my last comment. How come mourning of a month or 40 days turned to an EID and Hulla Gulla party? Is hussain only for Moharram? what about other days? I have several Shia friends and I have observed myself how Hussain is vanished from their lives right after chaleesvan? It’s hypocrisy.
You cited:
O Allah’s Apostle, even you are weeping!” He said, “O Ibn ‘Auf, this is mercy.” Then he wept more and said, “The eyes are shedding tears and the heart is grieved, and we will not say except what pleases our Lord, O Ibrahim! Indeed we are grieved by your separation.”
Kindly tell me, did the Prophet(saw) came out on roads and beat Himself with knives? DId Ali(RA) hurt himself from knives on death of Fatima? Tell me the example when the Prophet(saw) and His Sahabas(RA) did what Shias do today.
Yes being human one can weep. The prophet wept on death of His uncle Hamza(RA) so on death of His son. But did the prophet(saw) celebrated Barsi or 40wan? NO! did prophet did dramay bazi what Shias do in the naem of Hussain? Did Zainab(RA) and Abbas(RA) cried on roads on death of His family? NO! a Big NO! no Islamic source talk can endorse it while Allah Himself has prohibited it all. The hadith you quoted DOES NOT eNDROSED Matam! What Shias do in Matam today is nothing but extremism and no different that What Talibans do!!
You talked about Hadiths, I welcome you to educate me but here I quote two hadiths:
Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “He is not one of us who strikes his cheeks, rends his garment, or cries with the cry of the Jaahiliyyah.”
Al-Bukhaari (1294) and Muslim (103)
Read this hadith quoted by Hussin Ibn-e-Ali. This does talk about what you said. Ali(RA) himself told what one should do when gets sad. Read and pass it on to your Shia brothers:
Ali ibn al-Husayn narrated from his grandfather (Ali r.a) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who said: “There is no Muslim who is afflicted by a calamity and when he remembers it, even if it was in the dim and distant past, he says Inna Lillaahi wa inna ilayhi raaji’oon (verily to Allaah we belong and unto Him is our return), but Allaah will give him a reward like that of the day when it befell him.”(Ibn Majaah)
Kindly do refer Islamic history and try to follow real rather innovations injected later by others. Allah(SWT) told to recite Inna Lillahi on moment of death. Our life is amanatof Allah. Hussin(RA) was not immortal. he had to die one day just like any other person. Hussain or Ali were not Gods thus they were not in this world for good.
Hope it cleared.
on January 3rd, 2010 at 12:00 AM
also for your information this ghum doesn’t end in safar, whenever someone dies we do majlis and remember Imam Hussein (as) and the other martyrs.
on January 3rd, 2010 at 1:17 AM
Talking about mourning for 10 or 40 days, there’s a basic principle of Fiqh that if soemthing is not forbidden in Quran or Sunnah than it is Mubah.
We read in Surah Nisa 004.148:
“Allah loveth not that evil should be noised abroad in public speech, except where injustice hath been done; for Allah is He who heareth and knoweth all things.”
This verse makes it clear that the public’s relaying of injustice is permissible and this is what we do which you are calling dramay bazi. We protest for the injustice done to the Ahlul Bait (as).
The hadtith you are quoting about matam and crying is in contradiction with the hadith that I quoted as Prophet (sawaw) cried for his son Ibrahim and is in contradiction with the verse of Quran,
In Surah adh-Dhaariyaat we read that Sara (as) struck her face when she was told that she would conceive a baby.
“Then came forward his wife in grief, she smote her face and said (what! I) An old barren woman?”
And we don’t consider every hadith in Sahi Bukhari or our own books of hadith as Sahi unless it is not against Quran.
As far as the Hadith of Imam Ali (as) is concerned I’m fully agreed no one can deny it and for your information it has also been a part of our prayers that we do in the morning of Ashura i-e. we recite Inna Lillaahi wa inna ilayhi raaji’oon several times.
There’s no doubt that everyone has to die but we can not remain silent on the injustice done to Imam Hussein (as) and Ahlul Bait (as).
on January 3rd, 2010 at 2:44 PM
Matam is forbidden in Islam. I quoted hadiths. No one including Ali(RA),Fatima(RA),Hussain and hasan(RA) beaten their chests on mourning. What Shias do is not Islamic no matter what. It all got started later and it’s all innovation.
Nowhere i said a person can’t get sad or weep but mourning indefinitely is not allowed in Islam. We all are creatures of Allah and Allah says,”Every creature has to die” in Quran. And here I am not targeting Shias only. there are sunni families who cry out loud and celebrated Barsi and what not which is wrong. Read the hadith I quoted above. When Ali(RA) is not promoting this then how come Shias or non Shias can disobey Ali(RA)?
The hadith you quoted no where supports Matam and mourning style followed by Shias.
As far as celebration is concerned, I have shia friends who just get “normal” after 40van and in Rabiul Awal. Also, there’s Eid Ghadeer celebrated by Shias.
And dude! conciving baby and mourning on death are two different than mourning on death. Plus surah you quoted, it’s given below:
YUSUFALI: But his wife came forward (laughing) aloud: she smote her forehead and said: “A barren old woman!”
Sarah(AS) laughed in sarcasm rather than mourning. Pls do read Quran with meaning. This surah does not endorse your point of view.
on January 7th, 2010 at 9:13 AM
Being sad is one thing and beatings ones chest and bleeding oneself out of sadness is Jahiliat. It has nothing to do with Sunnah of Muhammad (S.A.W.W)
But if these people had something in their upper chamber, they wouldn’t be called sons of Saba.
Adnan,
check this out..
http://www.khatm-e-nubuwwat.com/zaid-zaman-hamid.htm
on January 7th, 2010 at 3:03 PM
Himmat hai tu mehshar mai Muhammad (s.a.w.w)se yeh kehna
Hum zinda-o-javaid ka matam nai kartay
on January 7th, 2010 at 3:09 PM
Kehtay hain baray fakhar say HUM GHUM nai kertay
Matam ki sada suntay hain Matam nai kartay
Wo loag bhala samjhein gay kiya Raaz-e-Shahadat
Jo Eid tu kertay hain Muhararram nai kertay
Kyun aap ka dil jalta hai Kyun jalta hai Seena
Hum aap k seenat pe to Matam nai kartay
Mohsin yehi Maqbool Rewayat hai Jahan main
Qatil kbhi Maqtool ka Matam nai karte…
on January 10th, 2010 at 8:20 AM
zaidi,
Hamain gham nahee hai tumharey matam kaa,
hamaree ijazat hai sarey saaal karo,
seeenaa thokoo, dewar sai takrain maro,
balkey zaraa zorr sai marooo, khudara
magar jhotey dramey kaamm karo,
jhootaa ghamm hai kah talwar bhee
halkey sai sr pai martey hain,
zaraa ghamm kee gahra-aee to dikhaoo,
zara talwaar bhee to gahree chalaoo,
dramey baaaz hain, jhotey qisey qaseeday waley,
jo gheraat hoteee inko to kiss monh sai
saal kai 11 manh khushian manaatey..
on January 10th, 2010 at 2:36 PM
First get your facts right I already said to admin this ghum is not just confined to 2 and a half months but whenever someone dies we commemorate gham-e-hussain instead of commemorating our loved one and its a sunnat-e-Rasool (sawaw) as proved according to numerous hadith. If you`re still reluctant to accept then i`ll show you with ref from your books who has done matam and who mourned their deads.
on January 12th, 2010 at 7:44 AM
raza,
You are a liar, Muahammad (S.A.W.W) had never put cuts on his head and chest out of sorrow and neither did he beat his chest out of sorrow, May Allah punish the liars.
and what a hypocratic cult, they have no sorrow over the death of Muhammad (S.A.W.W), yet they pretend as if they are sad at the death of his grandson to such an extent that they would even cut the innocent children and bleed them.
You guys don’t follow Muhammad (S.A.W.W), you are the followers of Abdullah bin saba and his offsprings like rafasanjani, khumeni and etc-eni
on January 20th, 2010 at 1:48 AM
@awara
read my previous comments i ve already mentioned refrences from sunni sources specialy read Shah Abdul Haqq Muhaddith Dehlavi about what Prophet (sawaw) did after the death of His uncle Hazrat Humza (as) same incident is also reported by Shibli Nomani in the earlier edition of hs book Seerat un Nabi (sawaw).
We commemorate death and birth of each of the 14 masooms but Imam Hussein (as) commemoration is different because of the injustice done to him and his family, no one was allowed to commemorate his death and its a sunnat as Prophet (sawaw) himself mourned his death (tradition is quoted in many sunni books including Sahi Bukhari read my previous comments)
And dude allegation of Ibn Saba is very old and baseless get something new and all of our great Ulemas like Khumeini, Ayatullah Sistani, Ayatullah Tabatabi, Ayatullah Khoie to name few have done such remarkable contributions to Islam that you need years to match their work. You can read about their contributions from wikipedia or any other site. We are proud of our Ulemas, we only follow Quran, Prophet (sawaw) and Ahl-ul-Bait (as).
on December 13th, 2010 at 9:12 AM
Bro, no need to explain our mourning, do they know that Nabi never offered Tarawi, which they offer blocking all roads and doing drama…most of them even dont know meaning of a single verse of Holy Quran though they claim to be hafiz..its useless
debating with them…